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Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.04.25 00:15:00 - [1] Ah, Recon 1/3, one of the greatest missions for presenting you with nice tasty ISK in quick succession. You're unlucky in that you're running it against Guristas so the racial EWAR thing is about 7000% more problematic than any of the other races, but essentially what you need to do is kill the ships as quickly as possible to limit incoming DPS so that you don't get overwhelmed by the waves piling on. Either that, or completely ignore the ships, fit and AB and rush to the gate, use light drones and whatever other weapons you can to take out any web/scram frigates and activate the warp gate when you get there Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.04.25 00:37:00 - [2] I'm fairly sure you can't avoid aggro in Recon 1/3. I'll also maintain that tank alone won't save you, DPS is more important, maybe try torps, that'll let you kill the BS and BC's fairly quickly, so you'd only have to contend with the HACs for any length of time, and TBH you can leave them and just use the warp gate, they aren't worth the ammo for the time it takes to kill them Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.04.26 09:42:00 - [3] Your problem is that you don't have an intelligence oriented person behind the keyboard, nothing to do with the character. Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.04.26 11:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Ken Senpai how many times do I have to say that I actually wanted that bounty. If I wanted just reward and LP I would have collected it without making this thread and asking stuff. Well, you might have said it once and we'd have know, but you didn't say it once, so we didn't know. Tauranon explained to you that you could take a quick ship through the gate, you didn't respond. I tried telling you how to do the mission by killing the rats quickly with high-DPS weapons, you responded that you thought it was impossible and went on with the thread. KISOGOKU told you to use cap boosters to free up some fitting space from rechargers/flux coils to help your fit for this harder mission. Zaqar pointed out that your resists weren't high enough. Terminus Vindicus also said your fit wasn't good enough. All you had to say about all this was that 'even with max skills you can't kill the BS fast enough' and continued to try to find some magic way of doing the mission without actually listening to any of the advice people were giving you. Terminus Vindicus said you should use EFT to optimize your fit, and get the best gear you could afford. All you had to say about it was that you were too poor for T2 stuff. MIRAMIRA reiterated my point that you had to use high DPS to kill the BS before the next wave came, you again ignored it. Seeing a pattern yet? The mission is meant to be rushed through, only moderate-high SP characters with good fits are able to actually fight it solo, as it presents some of the tougher NPC BS and the waves are timed, not triggered. The guristas version is just all the harder due to jamming. You don't meet the criteria to take this mission on, you simply can't do it... so blitz it. Quit whining that you can't do this though (if you fight) L4 mission due to a lack of SP/isk for modules while in the same breath whining that it's unfair that you would be expected to have a 'combat oriented character' or be able to afford a fit suitable for L4 missions. Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.04.27 09:26:00 - [5] Little secret: The devs usually have no idea what new content that they introduce to the game does or how it's going to be interacted with. Though, at the time there were no rigs, so individual ships often had significantly less ease tanking. Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.04.27 21:47:00 - [6] Seems like the main problem the guy has is fittings, he couldn't afford t2 drones, so that probably means no t2 hardeners, and certainly no rigs. Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.04.27 23:30:00 - [7] I suspect that with 3 faction BCU's and 7 T2 missile launchers with T2 ammo she'd be killing stuff a whole lot faster than you will be able to, at a guess I'd say she probably does 30%+ more DPS than you. As you probably know the Drake has a tank comparable to a battleship, so as she's optimized she can probably take 2x or more the damage you can at the moment. Rigs will improve your tank by a good 35%, even if its just CCCs to let you boost more. Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.04.27 23:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Ken Senpai oh man... with every post you guys make, I feel more and more noobish Heh, sorry, really don't mean to make you feel that way. Seems we got off to a rough start on the first page there, but that's ok. Anyways Gavin is right, your DPS is the issue here. The NPCs in this mission are high on the scale, as you can see by the 1m+ bounties, so they can have tough tanks. Now, lets say you're doing 210 dps, and they have a 200dps tank: you're doing a net of 10dps to them... yeah that's gonna take 15 minutes. What if you were doing 300 DPS? only 50% more DPS but you'll kill them in 1/10th of the time. Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.

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